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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Inquisitor Wall » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:41 am

Out of curiosity are you using the GW books, or the Black library novels for the information. I'm pretty sad I missed the Khaine book, but refuse to pay inflated prices for it. The novels are available as ebooks from BL for 16.00 though which isn't too bad.

Aslo thank you for the write up. So far Im about 50 pages into the Nagash book.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:18 pm

Thanks for the clarification, Slim!

And Kev, I'm using the rulebooks. Don't know how the novels mesh up. It would be nice if they took all of the fluff and put them into a paperback book minus all of the artwork (there's art on almost every page of the rulebooks). That way someone interested in the plot could read it all for cheap, but if you want to use the army you have to get the full rulebook.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:35 pm

So first off, let me just say that the Khaine book is INTENSE. Nagash set up a lot of information and the Glottkin book had some fun stuff, but both had their high and low points. Khaine is almost non-stop slaughter and heartbreak, and is not uplifting in the least. Well, that last part has been a pretty common theme so far. Anyway, let's dive in!

In Athel Loren, Ariel, the Mage Queen and Isha reborn, is dying. She is visited by Lileath, the goddess of prophecy, who reveals that she has betrayed and poisoned Ariel to put events into motion that will allow for the survival of Ariel's people. The scene ends with a visit from Alarielle, the Everqueen.

On Ulthuan, daemon armies are running rampant. No one knows the whereabouts of Finubar, the Phoenix King, or Alarielle. Prince Imrik of Caledor pushes for the nobility to replace Finubar, but Tyrion and the Phoenix Guard resist him. Imrik withdraws his armies to Caledor and closes the borders. Tyrion and Teclis lead a vast army against the daemons, and ultimately succeed in banishing them. While battling the greater daemon that bound the daemon armies to the mortal world, Teclis destroys the Moonstaff of Lileath to see the deed done. Later, Teclis is summoned by Prince Imrik, who shows him a vast clutch of hundreds of dragons' eggs that were brought to Ulthuan by a lone Dark Elf. He also claims to have received visions from Caledor Dragontamer, the first of the dragon princes and the one who created the Great Vortex which keeps Ulthuan afloat and siphons magic away from the Chaos Wastes. Teclis declares that these signs mean the Sundering is to be undone.

Naggarond is suffering under a Chaos invasion led by Valkia the Bloody. Malekith was conspicuously absent, and without his leadership the greedy lords of Naggaroth watched after their own fortunes and no unified attempt was made to defend the realm. When Malekith suddenly returns, he marches an army north to Ghrond to confront his mother, Morathi, and find out why she did not warn of an invasion. He reveals to her that he has killed Finubar with his own hands, and a powerful ally will assist him in a final attack on Ulthuan. As he leaves Ghrond, a sorceress named Drusala marches out with an army to join him as recompense for his mother's failure. Malekith orders all Dark Elves to follow him to Ulthuan. All but the Crone Hellebron and her armies in Har Ganeth comply, and a massive Naggarothi fleet sets sail.

Malekith's vanguard, led by Malus Darkblade, first strikes at Eagle Gate which is battered and poorly defended after the wars with the daemons. Despite Malus' many attempts, the defenders stubbornly hold. Sensing failure, Malekith gives in to the daemon Tz'arkan, who completely takes over his body and reshapes it into something horrific. While Tz'arkan wreaks bloody havoc at the walls, High Elf reinforcements crash into Malus' rear and also steady the defense of the fortress. Just when victory seems assured, the dragon princes within Eagle Gate turn on their allies, and a vast host of dragon riders led by Malekith and Imrik swoop down from the sky. Eagle Gate falls swiftly at the sudden betrayal.

The sorceress Drusala somehow manages to cage the daemon Tz'arkan and restore Malus Darkblade, and sees to it that any who witnessed the transformation don't live to tell of it. Malekith announces an alliance with Caledor, but the newly forged friendship is a fragile one, and the forces of Caledor camp separate from those of Naggaroth. We also see a brief appearance from Shadowblade, who eavesdrops on a conversation between Malekith, Imrik and Teclis before being ambushed by an unknown assailant. Imrik broods over his decision, but takes solace in the necessity of the situation according to both Teclis and Caledor.

With news of Malekith's invasion and Imrik's betrayal, Tyrion demands entry into Finubar's tower to find answers as to the king's absence. Korhil, captain of the White Lions, personally hacks through the massive doors and he and Tyrion enter to find Finubar has been dead for some time. The nobles quickly appoint Tyrion regent and he immediately marches an army north. His army collides with that of Malus Darkblade, and the two face off during a chaotic battle. Malus quickly wins the upper hand and, fearing that Darkblade will kill Tyrion and ruin her plans, Drusala releases Tz'arkan. The daemon utterly destroys the spirit of Malus Darkblade forever.

Tyrion is hardpressed to defeat both the unbound Tz'arkan and Tullaris Dreadbringer. It's at this moment that Aliathra, his illegitimate daughter with Alarielle, is sacrificed to bring about Nagash's resurrection. The death reverberates through Tyrion, and he manages to best Tullaris, who is granted a glimpse of the future by Khaine, and he mocks Tyrion into killing him. This awakens something within Tyrion, who picks up Malus' blade the Warpsword of Khaine and defeats Tz'arkan. With Nagash's resurrection, the dead on Ulthuan rise just as they did across the Old World, and Tyrion commands them to follow his orders in the name of Khaine and attack the Dark Elves. The Warpsword shatters in his hand and the dead comply.

Drusala then approaches Tyrion and reveals herself to be Morathi, who tells him all about Teclis' plotting. Tyrion summons his brother and accuses him of being a traitor, including causing the death of his daughter. When Teclis admits to all of it, Tyrion attempts to kill him but Teclis escapes. Araloth, the Wood Elf who appears in the Nagash book, watched the entire interaction. The shadowy figure who spirited him and his army away from the woods of Sylvania is revealed to be Lileath.

She shows Araloth and another Wood Elf named Kelara a vision of the elven gods warring with each other, and then being attacked by something else. At the end of the vision, Asuryan lifts his helm and reveals a face identical to Araloth's. Lileath then sends the two on a quest into the Realm of Chaos to free the Empire goddess Shallya from Nurgle's mansion. They succeed, but only when Kelara takes Shallya's place as Nurgle's poxfulcrum, a taster of his latest concoctions.

The High Elves continue north, with Caradryan, Captain of the Phoenix Guard, joining his forces to Tyrion's. They are trying to beat Malekith to the Blighted Isle, which holds the fabled Widowmaker, the sword of Khaine himself. A vicious battle breaks out between Malekith's forces and those defending the shrine, including a force of Shadow Warriors led by Alith Anar, the Shadow King. Kouran Darkhand leads the charge but is eventually cut down by the Shadow King. Malekith flies to the shrine, but is ambushed on the way by Shadowblade who is under Morathi's thrall. He eventually comes to his senses and retreats, but not after wounding Malekith.

A wounded Malekith arrives at the altar only to be confronted by Tyrion. The two fight and Tyrion emerges victorious. Before he can kill Malekith, Teclis arrives and attempts to stop him. Tyrion takes hold of Widowmaker and moves to kill Malekith. Caradryan places himself between the two and breaks his vow of silence when Tyrion orders him to move. Alith Anar looses an arrow to slay Malekith, but Teclis redirects it into Tyrion, which knocks him from the altar and gives Teclis a chance to spirit himself, Malekith and Caradryan away.

Teclis takes Malekith to the Shrine of Asuryan and tells him to walk through the Fire. He reveals that it was always Asuryan's plan to have him claim the throne, which is why every Phoenix King has gone mad. Malekith steps into the flames and the shrine sinks into the ocean.

Tyrion finally enters the war himself and pushes back the armies led by Imrik. The two meet on the field of battle and Imrik drives the Star Lance deep into Tyrion, who doesn’t seem too bothered by it. Three dragon princes sacrifice themselves so that a defeated Imrik can retreat. After this, Tyrion leaves the war and returns north, where his court his host to many Khaine-esque debaucheries. Korhil is placed in charge of the war, but is growing concerned about Tyrion’s temperament. His armies are ultimately defeated in Lothern when Phoenix King Malekith arrives with a unified Elven force.

After the defeat of his armies, Tyrion marches to Avelorn to claim Alarielle. He is met by the sisterhood of Avelorn and an army of Wood Elves including Orion. Tyrion and Orion battle, an echo of the battle between Khaine and Kurnuous with Isha (represented by Alarielle) as the prize. Orion manages to injure Tyrion but is slain. The blind Wood Elf smith Daith singlehandedly holds a breach in the wood elf lines, but is also struck down. With his dying breath, he reveals to Araloth that he is actually Vaul.

Alarielle and Morathi engage in a magical duel. Alarielle ultimately wins but is knocked off of the magical fulcrum she was standing on. Durthu catches her and is then attack by Tyrion, who buries Widowmaker in the treeman’s side. Durthu slowly forces the blade out, then hurls it and Tyrion about a league through the air. The battle is over. Alarielle and her remaining bodyguard retreat through the Worldroots.

Alarielle shows up in Malekith’s court and promises to marry him once the war is concluded, bringing his claim more legitimacy. Malekith finds it difficult to manage the Ulthuani nobles, having been so long a tyrant with the murderous Naggarothi nobility. Teclis’ advice barely keeps the peace. Ultimately, a unified force of Naggarothi, Ulthuani and Asrai march north against Tyrion. Meanwhile, Shadowblade approaches Korhil and convinces him to steal Widowmaker and give it to Crone Hellebron, who claims she can unmake it. Worried for his lord’s soul, Korhil agrees. He is overtaken by an army led by Morathi just as he was meeting up with Hellebron. Morathi defeats her rival and recaptures both Korhil and Widowmaker, but not before Shadowblade attacks her and permanently scars her face. Korhil is later executed alongside hundreds of Avelorni prisoners after Tyrion burns Avelorn for his defeat.

The book then flashes over to Eldyra, who had accompanied Eltharion on his quest to rescue Aliathra from Mannfred von Carstein. In the Nagash book, we are led to believe that Mannfred turned her into a vampire. In actuality, she has been given the essence of Ereth Khial, the Elven god of the dead. Lileath goes to her and teaches her about her new powers, and she begins to use the power from the countless Elven souls flowing out of Ulthuan to create a realm separate from the world and the Realm of Chaos.

With Widowmaker in hand, Tyrion starts pushing back Malekith’s armies. Tyrion’s very presence awakens the murderous sliver of Khaine in every elf’s heart, and the battles are some of the most vicious in the history of the elves. Only Malekith seems unaffected by it. Teclis implores Malekith to travel to the Isle of the Death and bind one of the eight winds of magic to himself in order to become powerful enough to defeat Tyrion. He finally consents and they retreat to the coastline to be picked up by Lokhir Fellheart. The admiral does not appear. Alarielle rushes off and convinces Sea Lord Aislinn to assist, who finally realizes he had been on the wrong side. Once Malekith’s armies are safely en route to the Isle of the Dead, Aislinn flies his skycutter to Tyrion’s ship and curses him in the name of Mathlann, the sea god, before Tyrion kills him. The curse conjures a massive storm that destroys most of Lokhir’s fleet and Tyrion’s army.

His forces depleted, Tyrion conjures an army of the dead, commanding them as Khaine. He even summons several dead Phoenix Kings. Malekith, as the true Phoenix King, calls on the dead kings to fulfill their debt to him, and their spirits burst forth into the battle. He then siphons power from the Great Vortex to summon a host of dead Elven heroes who turn the tide. Seeing defeat looming, Tyrion speeds toward Teclis and is confronted by Malekith. Tyrion is again victorious, but before he can land the final blow, a single arrow from the Shadow King slips through the hole in his armor that Imrik left months ago, and lodges into his heart. A second arrow hits Malekith in the back.

Teclis had been struggling with the great vortex all the while. Ghur, Wind of Beasts, escapes first and flies off to the east. Aqshy and Chamon, winds of Fire and Metal, free themselves next and shoot into the sky. Azyr, Wind of Heavens, escapes and grounds itself somewhere in the Empire. Teclis feels a present both familiar and alien, and is “struck with wonder” but not afraid. Ghyran, Wind of Life is successfully grounded within Alarielle. Ulgu, Wind of Shadow grounds within Malekith, and Hysh, Wind of Light within Teclis’ staff. He had hoped to ground the wind of fire within Malekith, and worries that shadow will cause him to fall back on his old ways.

Morathi, seeing her hopes dashed with the death of Tyrion, flies into the Great Vortex and attempts to open it so that Slaanesh can burst forth. She is stopped by Caledor Dragontamer, who holds her fast as Slaanesh reaches out and grabs both of them. The Great Vortex is unmade. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tidal waves wreak havoc across Ulthuan. Alarielle had planned for this, and her followers open the Worldroots all across the continent so that the survivors can flee to Athel Loren. Untold thousands perish, some because they were not swift enough, some refused to leave and others didn’t believe that things were so bad. Ulthuan sinks beneath the waves and is gone forever. Teclis refuses to leave the Isle of the Dead and is last seen by Imrik who watches the mage lift his dead brother before the waves overcome them both.

In Athel Loren, Malekith and Alarielle, the Phoenix King and the Everqueen, are married. A unified force of elves secures the forest like never before, and many Beastmen are slain or put to flight. At the last, Lileath brings Araloth to a hidden entrance into the realm that Ereth Khial has created, which is defended from the Dark Gods by the spirits of Bretonnia’s greatest knights (so that’s where Louen went!). She also drops the bomb that they have a daughter, and that she needs his guidance. In a true-to-form Elven cryptic nature, she tells Araloth that the world is doomed. Mortal strength cannot defeat the Dark Gods, but it can leave them so weakened that they will not threaten his new haven for millenia. She also insists that this is the cycle - a creator brings life into the world, his children quarrel, the Dark Gods pour in and the world collapses under the weight of Chaos. But the world’s glory can live forever so long as one survives. After a long goodbye, Araloth strides into the secret entrance. Roll credits.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:46 pm

TL;DR version:

- The Rhana Dandra, the final war with Chaos, is coming. Teclis and Lileath, the Moon Goddess, have been manipulating like hell to prepare for it.
- Teclis helps Malekith invade Ulthuan and convinces Imrik of Caledor to assist. Malekith tries to beat Tyrion to the Altar of Khaine to claim Widowmaker, Khaine's sword, but Tyrion beats him and becomes the Avatar of Khaine.
- Teclis reveals that Malekith was always supposed to be the Phoenix King, which is why every king after his failed attempt at the Flames of Asuryan has been shielded by Archmages, but STILL ends up batshit crazy or otherwise cursed. Malekith walks through the flames and makes it this time.
- Alarielle and a dying Ariel become one being. Alarielle uses the Worldroots to bring a Wood Elf host to Ulthuan to fight for Malekith.
- Teclis convinces Malekith to bind one of the winds of magic to himself so that he will become powerful enough to defeat Tyrion.
- Shit goes down. Big time.
- When the dust settles, the Wind of Shadow is bound to Malekith, the Wind of Life to Alarielle, and the Wind of Light to Teclis' staff. Tyrion, Orion, Kouran Darkhand, Tullaris Dreadbringer, Korhil, Malus Darkblade, Ariel and Morathi are all dead (see the first post from this thread for updates).
- The Great Vortex is unmade, Ulthuan slips beneath the sea, the survivors flee to Athel Loren.
- Lileath reveals to Araloth that they have a daughter and she is safe in a haven created by Ereth Khial, the goddess of the dead. He must take refuge there and be the rebirth of their people.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:58 pm

I wish I could've gone into more detail with the summary, but it was already so long. This is definitely the best End Times supplement of the first three, both in actual writing and the overall plot. It also ties very well into the 40k Eldar lore, which I feel has been more fleshed out than the WHFB fantasy elf stuff.

It also has some interesting implications for the future. First off, is Teclis dead? He's seen vanishing beneath the waves, but in a later scene Lileath refers to him in the present tense, implying that he's still alive. At one point, Teclis also reflects on the fact that he's fulfilling Lileath's role in the Rhana Dandra, and that Lileath has broken free of the cycle. Lastly, who the hell did the Wind of Heaven attach to? It would have to be someone powerful enough to strike Teclis with awe, and one wouldn't think any mortals would be capable of that. I also can't think of any established characters that have a strong tie to Heavens magic, at least outside of the Lizardmen.

Oh, and I also find it interesting that Naggaroth and Lustria are going to be completely abandoned by the two armies that inhabit them. Now all of the elves (minus who knows how many tens or hundreds of thousands that died) are in Athel Loren, the Tomb Kings are moving back up north, and the Lizards will likely be arriving soon. The Old World is going to get mighty crowded. After this book, I'm genuinely excited and curious to see what things will look like when the dust settles. It seems like they're irrevocably changing the Warhammer world, so it'll be interesting to see how they're going to do that but not eliminate any of the current armies as viable ones.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Dez » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:47 am

Kinne thanks once again for the breakdown, I read the whole thing.

I hear that the End Times...really are the End Times. The Old World is going to shatter, and the fragments will pass over one another (explaining things like Wood Elves vs Tomb Kings or what have you). Kinda interesting, I guess we'll see in May.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Inquisitor Wall » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:59 am

Thanks for the great summary. I missed picking up the khaine book, which sucks but have heard bits and pieces about it. I think this whole plot line has been a great way to boost enthusiasm about a game that in a lot of ways had become stale.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:23 am

I definitely agree with both of you on that. It seems like none of the armies will completely go away, and their background doesn't necessarily have to change, but things are definitely getting shaken up.

Dez, to that end they're squeezing every army, especially the reclusive ones, into a very tight space. Now all of the Elves are within Athel Loren and most of the Undead will probably end up in Sylvania. Since they are old friends, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lizards end up in Bretonnia to be near the Elves, which would put every army within Bretonnia, the Empire or the mountains that surround them.

And Kev, it's definitely generating some excitement over here. I'm chomping at the bit for that Dwarf book, although I'm dreading it, too. We've already lost one of our greatest heroes, and I wouldn't be surprised to see King Ungrim finally fulfill his Slayer Oath, though I hope they save that one for the massive end of the End Times showdown.

It really is the End Times. The previous two books shook things up a little, but nothing that couldn't be reversed. Nagash saw the Undead unified, but Settra is still alive (although possibly serving Chaos now), so that can be undone. And the Glottkin did raze three Imperial cities, but how many times has that happened before? But now Ulthuan is completely destroyed, the Great Vortex undone and Naggaroth burned. Khaine, Vaul and Kurnuous are all dead, and with the Shrine of Asuryan gone, there really can't be a new Phoenix King. They did some permanent stuff.

I wonder how this'll pan out, though. I would actually like to see them do an End Times book for each army, then drop ninth edition without resolving the actual plotline. That way 9th Edition IS the End Times, with all of the new army lists and super heroes. Then, toward the end of ninth, they can have another big plot advancement to the final conclusion of the End Times, and whatever remains afterward can be tenth edition. Of course, with how fickle GW can be, I fear that may be the plan but it won't come to fruition, and they'll just retcon it after a few years.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Dez » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:44 am

I think it will be incredible to have this big of a plot change, I'm really enjoying it (though I still need to read the full books).

I'm hoping I can F5 faster than everyone else on Friday and land a Hardcover of the Thanquol book. Really excited to see some new Skaven stuff. That Thanquol and Boneripper model is just beautiful. Stormfiends (armored rat ogres) just sounds so good, if they have the same aesthetic as the Stormvermin...I'm going to be in financial trouble.
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Re: Up to Date with End Times (spoilers)

Postby Kinne » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:52 am

I wish I had the scratch to get a full set of the hardcover books. I was iffy at first, but now they're seeming more like a permanent thing. I'll definitely be picking up a copy of the Dwarf one, heartbreaking as it probably will be.
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